PART ONE: THIS LAND IS MY LAND The reflective thinker John Locke believes which people have sure rights so elemental which no supervision can ever take them away. These rights—to life, autocracy as well as property—were since to us as tellurian beings in the the state of nature, the time prior to supervision as well as laws were created. According to Locke, the healthy rights have been governed by the law of nature, well known by reason, which says which you can conjunction give them up nor take them divided from any one else. Sandel wraps up the harangue by raising the question: what happens to the healthy rights once you come in multitude as well as agree to the complement of laws? PART TWO: CONSENTING ADULTS If you all have unalienable rights to life, liberty, as well as property, how can the supervision make taxation laws upheld by the member of the small majority? Doesnt which volume to receiving the little peoples skill but their consent? Lockes reply is which you give the taciturn agree to conform the taxation laws upheld by the infancy when you select to live in the society. Therefore, taxation is bona fide as well as concordant with particular rights, as prolonged as it relates to everybody as well as does not arbitrarily singular any one out.
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Does anyone know the book that was used for this course?
@mowgli2071 What he’s saying is that the US companies chose to make an issue out of it because there was a violation, and Locke’s sense of self-ownership is a relevant moral principle.
Interesting. Agreed: consent is key.
It took me 4 episodes to realize.. this guy reminds me of Wash from Firefly.
Nowadays the tricky thing is that even if you don’t agree with society’s rule, you can’t escape to the state of nature, since all land is some country’s land and therefore already has an owner. This puts in question the CHOICE of living in society.
@SlowDaddie Regarding Nikola: Her point is that if you’re born in the community, at least when you are an infant, you don’t CHOOSE to consume community’s resources – you’re just provided with them instead.
And in fact, at least in a monetary society, if you have money to buy something you must have provided something to the society (in order to get that money).
Well, after all Locke contradicted himself.
“If the majority agrees, your rights ARE alienable”
Nikola: You can’t consume the communities resources if you aren’t going to contribute to it. It’s the same as theft, exactly what Locke was arguing against (the govenment, or the community, can not steal from the individual.
Golko: If the government conscripts you into war, without your consent, that’s a very obvious violation of the individual’s fundamental rights. The answer was very obvious that it’s a clear violation of human rights, no matter what the government says.
We own ourselves-Libertarians divide morality and immorality as voluntary cooperation, persuasion vs. force and aggression except in self-defense.
good for fuckin’ you, spammer.
I found another harvard course from itrycollege
23:55??
I love how “what’s your name?” subtly but immediately gives the professor back control of the discussion; the students always yield after answering that question.
@Jitpring That is a highly controlling way of teaching, and an uninspiring one. What Sanders does, instead, is to keep steering the conversation and thus the mindsets of ALL the students towards the middle ground between extremes, then taking the arguments that emerge from individual students to propel the discussion further, thus leading the students to an active state of mind for learning. This requires control on a much deeper level than the style of teaching you suggest.
The professor should demand that the students ANSWER THE QUESTION HE ASKS, and only the question he asks.
“You’re not answering the question I asked. You’re answering a different question, a question I DIDN’T ask. Answer ONLY the question I asked.”
This should become his mantra. The feeble herd minds he’s dealing with demand this kind of prodding.
I agree with you regarding social darwinism; it’s certainly not comparable with libertarianism. I find social darwinism to be very nihilistic and morally reprehensible. As I said, I am no supporter of that. I support a limited government, based on objective laws that protect individual rights.
I’ve read Murray Rothbard, but am no supporter of his anarchism.
Everytime I hear Libertarianism (Classical Liberalism) being compared to Darwinism, it makes me sick. It is precisely thanks to Capitalism and Industrialization that the world can now support 6.5 billion people. F*ck Smith and Friedman, if you want a real education you need to study Turgot and Murray N. Rothbard.
Give me an example of someone not acting in self interest.
How can you say whether someone acted in self interest, unless you look at it after the events took place and consequences unraveled.
Therefor it does not say anything about what is good or just
“survival of the fittest” is a theory that only works in hindsight. How can you tell that one species of fish is better adapted than another, unless you are looking at the past.
Not only is this theory useless, its dangerous, cause it lets some people claim they are ‘fitter’ while in reality they are unbelievably stupid.
For example, is a country that exhausts its resources and creates a strong army to defeat others ‘fitter’? Or are they just really dumb?
Enlightened self-interest is the same
Exactly, by trying to create a morality so we can rule other people is like playing god. There is no way to see everything so in morality you should only judge yourself.
Even if one moral idea might be true for one case, it will never be true for every case.
This is going to end in both of us basically agreeing with eachother with the only differents that we will set different borders/different laws. The truth is that we will set laws which we seem fit and if person nr. 3 comes along, he’s going to have a different opinion. It’s because we’re human that we can’t be smarter than our own species. In order to create a true 100% good system you’d need some kind of higher intelligence. Some people refer to that as god…some as Dr. Phil…
I’m not an anarchist though. I advocate a limited government based on objective laws, that defend individual rights. If one person violates the rights of another, for example through fraud or physical force, he should be prosecuted for it.
As I said, there should be courts of law, police departments and a military to maintain order and defend our rights from foreign and domestic threats.
Well the idea of manipulating others is the belief that you are right in the first place. Of course, a believe is no fact. “If you think you’re a part of the solution, you’re a part of the problem” comes to mind.
However as pure as your intentions are, I think they are impractical. If every person had the right to do anything, then we wouldn’t have laws in the first place. Ultimately laws are the glue of society if you will. Humanity should be controlled imo, we think of ourselves too highly.
It’s the view that human beings are pieces of clay which should be molded by the social engineers of the state, which thoroughly repulses me. The view that they are merely means to an end, to be used and sacrificed for “the greater good” at the whim of politicians.
I think every individual has a right to exist for his own sake, and that in a just society, anyone who refuses to respect the equal individual rights of others, belong behind bars.